Ce spuneti de-o tabara de testare la vara?

Update: 17.04.2012

Ma bucur sa vad ca exista oameni dornici sa se implice intr-un astfel de eveniment. Tinand cont ca suntem deja la jumatatea lunii aprilie, cred ca ar fi util sa incepem sa vorbim despre lucruri mai concrete.

Voi reveni cu detalii despre o sedinta online, deoarece sunt oameni din diverse locatii care doresc sa participe.

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Azi dimineata am dat peste http://summerqamp.org/ si mi-am dat seama ca asta e unul din rolurile pe care as vrea sa il ia Tabara de Testare.

Urmatorul lucru care mi-a venit in minte a fost: de ce nu organizam o tabara de testare la propriu? Cateva zile (o saptamana 🙂 ) in care sa stam cu oameni care nu stiu ce e aia testare, dar care vor sa afle/descopere si sa invete mai multe despre asta:

  • sa dezbatem despre rolul unui tester
  • sa vorbim despre informatiile pe care poti sa le oferi ca tester
  • sa facem ateliere cu exercitii si puzzle-uri
  • sa vorbim despre ce inseamna sa scrii un bug
  • sa folosim utilitare care pot fi folosite pentru a ne face viata mai usoara si a fi mai eficienti

Asta e doar un gand, si mai e mult de lucru pana sa se concretizeze, insa as vrea sa stiu daca exista voluntari (testeri experimentati, si nu numai) pentru organizarea un astfel de eveniment.

Alex

TDT Peer Conference #3 – Timisoara

Multumim tuturor celor care s-au inscris la cel de-al treilea eveniment “Tabara de Testare” – Timisoara.

Agenda:

  • 18:30 – 18:45 – Sosire participanți
  • 18:45 – 19:30 – Prezentare “Teste de Interfata folosind Visual Studio”
  • 19:30 – 20:20 – Discutii
  • 20:20 – 20:30 – Concluzii + Stabilirea temelor viitoare

Participanți:

  1. Daniel Amitis – Prezentare – “Teste de Interfata folosind Visual Studio”
  2. Alina Ionescu – Facilitator
  3. Adrian Mirea
  4. Kuki Szabolcs
  5. Vlad Ilie
  6. Cosmin Traistaru
  7. Madalina-Cristina Lukacs
  8. Codruta
  9. Alexandar Despotovici
  10. Lavinia Muntean
  11. Ondina Stef
  12. Luchian Marius
  13. Claudia Alexuc
  14. Amelia Ianculescu
  15. Radu Ticiu
  16. Oana Radomir
  17. Oana Stinga
  18. Diana Chitic
  19. Lehocz Leonard
  20. Sandu Adrian
  21. Andreea Cimpoeru
  22. Roxana Novac
  23. Ioan Nicoara
  24. Adrian Vornic
  25. Ramneantu Raul Adrian
  26. Ciprian
  27. Cristian Bacican
  28. Lavinia Spirea
  29. Diana Dalalau

Ne intalnim astazi, Joi 15 Martie 2012, la ora 18:30, la Incubatorul de Afaceri Software din Timisoara, etaj 3.

RoWST – Romanian Workshop on Software Testing

In 29-30 martie 2012, la Hotel Parliament in Bucuresti, va avea loc prima editie a RoWST – Romanian Workshop on Software Testing.

Acest eveniment va fi organizat de Altom si Tabara de Testare, va urma formatul unui Peer Conference, si se va bucura de participarea lui James Bach si a lui Maaret Pyhäjärvi.

Pentru cei care au urmarit TdT, exista cateva diferente intre conferintele organizate la sfarsitul anului trecut si acest workshop:

  • durata: deoarece se va intinde pe parcusul a doua zile, vom avea ocazia sa ne cunoastem mai bine si sa acoperim anumite subiecte mai in detaliu.
  • taxa de participare: nu exista nici o taxa de participare, dar fiecare participant va trebui sa-si acopere cheltuielile cu pranzul. Altom va suporta cheltuielile cu sala, echipamentul , cafeaua / ceaiul si apa.
  • numarul de participanti: pentru a facilita schimbul de idei si experiente, numarul de participanti este limitat la 15 persoane, incluzandu-i pe James si Maaret.
  • prezentarile: vom incerca sa alegem mai atent prezentarile, astfel incat fiecare din ele sa fie un raport bazat pe experienta.
  • participarea: am trimis deja invitatii in functie de gradul de implicare in (incipienta) comunitate a testerilor din Romania. Daca nu ai primit invitatie si vrei sa participi, te rog sa imi dai un email la alex [punct] rotaru [la] altom [punct] ro.

Deoarece vom avea cel putin 2 participanti internationali, limba folosita in timpul conferintei va fi engleza.

RoWST Theme – “Everyday Software Testing Challenges”

What are the things that bother you most in your day-to-day work environment? We want to hear from you experience reports of everyday problems you’ve stumbled upon, the way you dealt with them, and the solutions you have come up with.

In case you haven’t found a solution to the issue, even better, because we love a good challenge! You can present the details of the situation and the steps you’ve taken and we’ll try to identify solutions together/discuss it further.

What we’re looking for: challenges and the ways you chose to deal with them, and not just complaints.

What we’re NOT looking for:

  • theoretical ideas you’ve read about but have never applied or experienced,
  • generic stories with no practical bearing,
  • stories for which the context is not available.

Examples of presentation topics (to guide you in identifying and naming your challenges):

  • Documenting your testing efficiently
  • How to deal with the false belief that the solution to every problem is a tool (magic tool to solve any problem)
  • Fighting against unreasonable requests/expectations from managers/clients (100% automation, complete coverage)
  • The shift from the traditional mode to more effective and relevant approaches.

As a result of the workshop, we will have a summary report of key learning points and conclusions to share with the testing community through http://tabaradetestare.ro.

 

Tabara de Testare #2 Timisoara – Post factum

Joi 16 februarie 2012 a avut loc cea de-a doua editie a Taberei de Testare in Timisoara.  Cu sprijinul lui Radu Ticiu, Incubatorul de Afaceri Software a gazduit acest eveniment la care au participat in jur de 40 de persoane, testeri si nu numai. Alex si Oana au fost si ei si ne-au ajutat. Tin sa le multumesc pe aceasta cale. Multumim frumos!

Subiectul primei discutii a fost unul filozofic: “Tester Mindset”. Au avut loc 2 prezentari sustinute de Adrian Mirea si de mine (Alina), apoi o repriza de discutii si concluzii. Prezentarile le puteti gasi aici.

S-a discutat despre caracteristicile si principiile unui tester, cum aduce valoare echipei si mai ales despre relatia tester-developer.
Numarul mare de participanti a facut ca discutiile sa mai devieze si nu toata lumea a apucat sa isi spuna parerea. Intr-o oarecare masura ne asteptam la asta. Stiam ca va fi mai greu sa moderam discutia daca suntem asa multi, dar nu am vrut sa taiem din entuziasmul celor inscrisi. Pana la urma, e foarte bine ca sunt atat de multi oameni interesati. De la eveniment la eveniment o sa ne cunoastem si o sa invatam sa comunicam mai bine.

Odata ce s-a dat startul, ne propunem pentru intalnirile viitoare sa atingem teme concrete, raspunsuri detaliate la intrebarile comunitatii.

Urmatorul eveniment va fi pe 15 Martie 2012, iar tema este supusa la vot pe meetup.

Pe ideea..
“Tabara de Testare este hit,
Entuziasmul n-a murit!”
nu am folosit Post Mortem pentru acest articol 🙂

O seara frumoasa,
Alina

TDT Peer Conference #2 – Timisoara

Multumim tuturor celor care s-au inscris la cel de-al doilea eveniment “Tabara de Testare” – Timisoara.

Agenda:

  • 18:30 – 18:40 – Sosire participanți
  • 18:40 – 19:00 – Introducere
  • 19:00 – 19:20 – Prezentare partea 1
  • 19:20 – 19:40 – Prezentare partea  a 2-a
  • 19:40 – 20:20 – Discutii
  • 20:20 – 20:30 – Concluzii + Stabilirea temelor viitoare

Participanți:

  1. Adrian Mirea – “Tester Mindset” – Prezentare partea 1, Facilitator
  2. Alina Ionescu – “Tester Mindset” – Prezentare partea a 2-a
  3. Alexandru Rotaru
  4. Oana Casapu
  5. Bogdan Orasan
  6. Madalina-Cristina Lukacs
  7. Monica Nicoara
  8. Daniel Amitis
  9. Ciprian
  10. Cristian Bacican
  11. Daniela Butoi
  12. Gabor Adrian
  13. Sandu Adrian
  14. Vlad Ilie
  15. Luchian Marius
  16. Iulian Benea
  17. Adrian Torj-Kobza
  18. Ramneantu Raul Adrian
  19. Walter Fettich
  20. Gabriel Gardas
  21. Diana Dalalau
  22. Ciprian Balea
  23. Codruta
  24. Cristina Marghes
  25. Lavinia Spirea
  26. Ciprian Spirea
  27. Gabriella Nicoara
  28. Roxana Novac
  29. Ioan Nicoara
  30. Alex Bostan
  31. Oana Radomir
  32. Adrian Vornic
  33. Andreea Cimpoeru
  34. Lehocz Leonard
  35. Bogdan Dubei
  36. Amelia Ianculescu
  37. Adela
  38. Lavinia Muntean
  39. Alexandar Despotovici
  40. Oana Stinga
  41. Ondina Stef

Ne intalnim Joi 16 februarie 2012, la ora 18:30, la Incubatorul de Afaceri Software din Timisoara, etaj 3.

Tabara de Testare Timisoara – Meetup #2 – Tester Mindset

Update

http://tabaradetestare.ro/2012/02/15/tdt-peer-conference-2-timisoara/

Când ne întâlnim

16.Februarie.2012 ora 18:30.

Unde ne întâlnim

Incubatorul de Afaceri Software Timisoara
Bulevardul Republicii, nr 9, etaj 3, Timisoara (corpul R)

Tema abordata

Tester Mindset

A. Intr-o industrie in continua dezvoltare, care sunt principiile dupa care se ghideaza un tester.
Ne dorim sa subliniem ce anume trebuie sa stie un tester si cum gandeste. Din experientele fiecaruia putem trage concluzii despre probleme comune si cele mai bune abordari pentru solutionarea lor.

Incercam sa atingem subiecte ca:

– Este testerul un “bug hunter”?
– Intotdeauna pune intrebarea “De ce?”
– Ce calitati trebuie sa aiba un tester?
– Cum NU testam totul.

B. Echipa Developer-Tester.
In domeniul nostru, nu este de ajuns ca testerii sa fie buni din punct de vedere tehnic, ei trebuie sa stie sa comunice cu echipa astfel incat sa nu cada in una din extremele “the bad guys” sau “timizii”.

Incercam sa atingem subiecte ca:

– Tester Mindset vs Developer Mindset
– Cea mai productiva atitudine pe care o poate avea un tester in echipa
– Exemple de ‘Asa DA’ si ‘Asa NU’

Cum te înscrii

Inscrierile se fac pe http://www.meetup.com/Tabara-de-Testare-Timisoara/events/48595592/

Tabara de testare #2 Bucuresti – Post Mortem

In ultima saptamana a anului trecut, mai precis pe 28 Decembrie, Alexandra organiza o ultima intalnire a testarilor pe anul 2011. Mai jos puteti gasi cateva cuvinte din partea Alexandrei cu privire la aceasta intalnire.

Intalnirea de final de an intre pasionatii de testare a avut loc luni, 28 Decembrie, la ceainaria Rendez-Vous. Participarea a fost restransa, au raspuns la apelul facut de mine doar Crenguta M, Gabi Dobritescu si Michou (Mihai Balan). Cu toate acestea discutia a fost dinamica si animata, si desi am plecat cu un subiect prestabilit, discutiile au acoperit subiecte variate legate de domeniul testarii in general.

Tema propusa initial “cum sa nu scriem test-caseuri” a deschis dialogul (si ceaiurile calde dupa ploaia rece de afara). Fiind direct interesata de subiect, am gasit foarte interesante abordarile diferite ale celorlalti. Ca o concluzie si cel mai important pentru acest subiect este identificarea motivelor pentru care nu este necesara sau utila scrierea de test caseuri, precum si scopul final. Diverse tool-uri de testare precum si metode de testare gen Session Based Testing ajuta. Exemplu: toolul http://testing.gershon.info/reporter/ pe care, si ca urmare a discutiei cu Gabi, il consider unealta cea mai utila in sesiuni de testare ce nu necesita o planificare anterioara a testelor.

Discutia a deviat la diverse subiecte de testing. Ne-am bucurat de prezenta Crengutei, un proaspat venit in acest domeniu, pe care sper ca sfaturile noastre au ajutat-o. Gabi si Mihai au impartasit din experienta lor legata de interviuri si asa s-a ajuns la a discuta aprins despre tipurile de intervievare a persoanelor pentru junior testing. Ca idee finala cred ca cei ce sunt interesati de qa si testare si au nelamuriri sau intrebari de pus, pot cere ajutorul celor cu mai multa experienta si vor primi oricand ajutor.

S-au discutat multe despre testare, despre echipe si relatia cu dezvoltatorii. Din partea mea scopul acestei intalniri a fost atins, am cunoscut alte persoane pasionate de ceea ce fac, de testing si tot ce implica asta, cu dorinta de a impartasi din experienta lor si de a afla lucruri si abordari noi.

As vrea sa organizez si pe viitor (2012) astfel de intalniri, de cateva ore, cu un numar de participanti cat sa permita discutiile fara haos. Ar fi utile in acest scop sugestii despre ce ati fi interesati sa aflati (subiecte de discutie).

Alexandra

Tabara de testare #2 – Bucuresti

Ca sa incheiem anul intr-o nota pozitiva Alexandra Ichim a venit cu propunerea sa mai organizam o intalnire pana la sfarsitul anului. Detaliile exacte pot fi gasite mai jos.

Tema intalnirii: Cum sa nu scriem test case-uri!
Data: 19 Decembrie 2011
Locatie: Ceainaria Rendez-Vous, ora 18:30 

Termen limita pentru inscrieri: Vineri, 16 Decembrie 2011

Din dorinta de a continua seria de discutii cu teme de testare va propun o intalnire saptamana viitoare pe 19 Decembrie. Mi-ar placea sa ne reunim si sa facem schimb de idei pe o tema anume din domeniu. Scopul este sa invatam fiecare din experienta celorlalti si sa plecam cu cateva idei in plus pentru cum am putea sa ne imbunatatim activitatea.

Propunerea mea este: sa discutam despre cum sa nu scriem test-caseuri. Cred ca toti au fost in situatia de a testa fara a avea suficient timp pentru a scrie test caseuri foarte detaliate sau pe cat de multe ar fi fost necesare. De fapt as vrea sa fie o continuare a temelor foarte populare de exploratory testing, dar cumva sa depaseasca nivelul de doar testare prin explorare.

Mi-ar placea sa aflu de la oameni pusi in situatia asta: cum au planificat activitatile, cum au monitorizat taskurile, ce tooluri au folosit, cum au incadrat testarea automata si cat de eficiente au fost metodele abordate de ei.

Pentru aceasta intalnire m-am gandit la un grup de maxim 10 pesoane (daca sunt 10 persoane interesate 🙂 ), iar ca locatie la ceainaria Rendez-Vous (http://www.ceainarie.ro/index.php/locatii/universitate ) – au o sala separata pentru nefumatori in care putem rezerva toate locurile, astfel avand intimitate pentru discutii (evident consumatia este obligatorie 🙂 ). Eventual poate aveti o alta sugestie pentru locatie, din pacate eu nu am gasit alta solutie.

Cei interesati pot lasa un comment la articol, cand avem lista de participanti vom mai schimba informatiile de organizare intre noi.

Alexandra

TDT Peer Conference – Timisoara

În primul rând vrem să mulțumim tuturor celor care s-au înscris și celor care ne-au ajutat cu promovarea și organizarea evenimentului din Timișoara.

Motivul pentru care am ales să mergem cu un număr atât de mic de  participanți  este strâns legat de formatul conferinței care presupune un grad foarte mare de interacțiune.

Mai jos puteți găsi agenda evenimentului și lista finală de participanți.

Agenda:

  • 09:30 – 10:00 – Sosire participanți
  • 10:00 – 11:00 – Introducere
  • 11:00 – 12:00 – Prezentare 1
  • 12:00 – 13:00 – Pauză de masă
  • 13:00 – 14:00 – Prezentare 2
  • 14:00 – 14:15 – Pauză
  • 14:15 – 15:15 – Prezentare 3
  • 15:15 – 15:30 – Pauză
  • 15:30 – 16:30 – Prezentare 4
  • 16:30 – 17:00 – Concluzii

Participanții:

  1. Catalin Anastasoaie – Content Owner, Prezentator, “Doing things differently
  2. Gabriel Dobritescu – Prezentator, “Tester cu beneficii
  3. Ramona Baleti – Prezentator, “Metode experimentale aplicate in testare
  4. Iulian Benea – Prezentator, “Risk based testing
  5. Alexandru Rotaru – Facilitator
  6. Marius Luchian
  7. Florin Semenescu
  8. Alina Forsea
  9. Andreea Ersek
  10. Oana Radomir
  11. Ciprian Spirea
  12. Daniela Butoi
  13. Bogdan Orasan
  14. Alexuc Claudia
  15. Alina Ionescu
  16. Virag Letitia
  17. Diana Dalalau
  18. Vlad Ilie
  19. Adrian Mirea
  20. Oana Casapu
Ne vedem sâmbăta, 10 Decembrie, la sediul celor de la Haufe-Lexware Romania, Calea Aradului nr 8, Timișoara.

TDT Peer Conference Cluj-Napoca – Post Mortem

It was one of those Saturday mornings when there’s this deep white fog outside and all you want is a couple of more minutes under the warm cozy blanket. But after a hot cup of coffee all I could think about was the meeting with Tabara de Testare. Yes, I was a little bit nervous – Alexandru had finally convinced me to hold a presentation and I was looking over the final details: adjust the font/ jot down some notes/ rearrange the pictures.

I was among the last ones to arrive – everyone there was already chatting over tea or coffee and biscuits, Gabi was setting up the presentation gear and the day started at a little past 10AM. I was curious about how everyone would blend in – 20 people with no prior knowledge of each other, drawn to this place by their passion for QA – that should be a good starting point. Catalin and Alexandru walked us through the event’s schedule and presented themselves, their ideas behind Tabara de Testare and the whole concept of doing a peer conference about software testing. The new thing here would be the use of K-cards that encourage discussions in an orderly fashion – Alexandru seemed particularly fond of them, but then again, he was the moderator of the event, so that might have given him a valid excuse.

What are our expectations for today, we were asked, after everyone had introduced themselves. Well, personally, I wanted to meet these 20 people that hopefully shared my enthusiasm for QA and learn new things from them. And of course I would like this not to be a one-time event and have the courage to continue with this type of gatherings in the future.

First thing on the agenda: Gabi’s presentation. He walked us through the values that one can bring in the projects we work on, to the team we work with and last, but not least, to ourselves. I could not agree more. I believe we are in a constant process of improving ourselves and this is the foremost benefit of being a tester: working in a continuous developing environment, with new and exciting technologies and talented people. A thought that I personally liked from Gabi’s presentation was that “talking about change doesn’t make it happen”. There were lots of questions and themes to be debated after the talk, so much as the discussion went on for more than one hour. Alex was busy jotting down the participants’ numbers and the color of the K-card they had raised. It was quite refreshing to see people eager to share their experiences and ask questions – I forgot to mention that almost everyone there had at least 6 years of experience in testing, so that was a little bit intimidating for me, but it was a great plus conversational wise. Oana, Catalin, Adi, Vasile, Ioana and Jari were probably the most active participants here.

We went on to having lunch afterwards, in the restaurant downstairs – I still don’t know what that green sauce was, by the way, but it tasted good, nonetheless. It was a perfect opportunity for the participants to mingle and get to act more informal. I got to talking with Adina, who mentioned, among other things, how helpful it can get, while working on a project, for a tester to talk to the developer first and get things coordinated in the same direction. I thought it to be a great idea and it’s a practice that I also try to apply in my daily job. I also had a brief talk with Ionut, who’s doing some amazing performance testing with a tool he discovered, AutoIT. I liked what he said about bringing something new to the table in your domain of work – a question that one should ask themselves: “what is it that makes me different from everyone else? why would someone pick me?”

The conference continued with Lucian’s presentation, which was more an experience-based example of how to apply Agile practices in your projects. I particularly liked how he gave real examples and also the way he explained most of them, very patiently, by drawing on the flip-chart. He spoke of the challenges that might occur while working in a remote, multicultural environment, how sometimes one can feel they are not really contributing to the project and how does one find room to successfully apply Agile practices in such cases. I know Vasile, Sorina, Rares, Raluca, Istvan and Mihaela were glad that this topic was debated. Among others, a raising question was “how does one deal with last minute bugs that appear in the middle of the sprint?”. It was nice that everyone shared answers based on personal experience and they had bold solutions to propose.

Although we were a little behind schedule and it was already past 4 o’clock, Jari’s presentation shook our spirits and brought out the fun side of testing. I feel everyone will agree that his energetic presence, funny spirit and cheerful presentation did not only bring a smile to our faces, but also made us question the ground principles that we apply when testing: “what is it that we are doing wrong now and how can we avoid that in the future”. I especially liked his metaphor on exploratory testing versus scripted testing in the form of a short story: “Two kids are out on the streets on the hunt for candy, on a Halloween evening. The exploratory kid would follow an undefined trail and no matter how many times he would repeat the process, he gets more candy, because he would always have new doors to knock on in his trail. The scripted kid would have a predefined road and when repeating it, he would only get the candy once, because he would be knocking on the same doors all over again.” I hope I served the story justice – this is how I remember it 🙂

My presentation came last – I silently hoped that there would be no time left, but I didn’t have that luck. Honestly, I am not very fond of speaking in public – that’s why I tailored my presentation to focus more on the audience, thus hoping to shift the spotlight. I wanted to both share thoughts from my personal experience and also learn from other’s experiences – I brought forward questions that I often ask myself and I wanted fresh new answers from those present: “why did you become a software tester? why do you keep doing it? if you could name it, what would your QA super-power be? how did you overcome your failures? how deep do you go when testing? where do you stand in a team?” and I could go on. I got some of the answers I was looking for – I liked Claudia’s answer on why she became a tester: “because I thought I wasn’t good enough as a developer and I knew I could be great in testing, thus proving others wrong” and Vasile’s humorous take on his QA super power: “the Chuck Norris of bugs”.

And some ending thoughts… well, I believe Catalin will be able to get everyone’s names right from now on. Also, I think Alexandru will be proud to know that having those K-cards actually helped a lot in mediating the discussions, proving my resistance futile 🙂 Another thing on the plus side was that everyone felt comfortable enough to speak in English – of course, under the false pretense of humoring Jari 🙂 Overall, it was a great meeting. I met some nice people in a friendly, informal and cozy atmosphere (with lots of IKEA items), shared some ideas, asked myself some questions, learned something new. The ice has definitely been broken, so I believe there’s room for more. I’m looking forward to the next meeting with Tabara de Testare and hopefully continue to shine some light on software testing.

 

Ana